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I just watched the most eye opening video of my life.  I challenge any and all to view it -- and come back with your take on it.

zeitgeist

looks really friggin cool, but way too long for me to sit at the puter box.  i'll come back to it!  thanks for posting this!

if you don't mind be saying, you're a pretty damn awesome grandma!!

after watching part one i need to say this...

if you are interested in reading i suggest the following books:

Bloodline of the Holy Grail - Laurence Gardner


The Secret Teachings of All Ages - Manly P. Hall


Nothing in This Book is True but it's Exactly How Things Are - Bob Frissell


Lost Secrets of the Scared Ark - Laurence Gardner


The Second Messiah - Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas


The Hiram Key - Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas


The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail - Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln

Thank you for reminding me.  I was given this link on the week-end and forgot about it.

My brother told me about that -- said I should watch it. Hmmm ...

Thanks jewelsmcblah - on compliment and reading list.  I'll be checking some of them out.  Can't wait to hear your take on the remainder of video. 

spoiled_candy and alayne -- must be zeitgeist (heh heh) -- definitely a must see.  :o)

since i've only seen the first part, all those books refer to Part One.  i'll probably have a bigger reading list once I watch it all.  =)

I just watched it,,,,, Ho Hum,,,,, Another "Christianity is Fake and Evil - Anti USA and they do all the bad in the world".   Documentary

vthompson:  So, I take it that it bored you -- but, did you not find any of it worth discussion?  

Hi, I found a lot interesting.  However, I don't have a degree in theology nor have I studied ancient cultures, I also do not consider myself a historian.   I have extensive experience in quantitative analysis, statistics and I have found over and over that if you have enough random information - regardless of subject matter, you can find a way to either prove or disprove anything and I do mean anything!  That is why I don't really place a lot of stock in any one drawing the lines and connecting the dots...... Too much information is in the same research to support opposing opinions as well and yet a lot of times we discount those to prove what we want....

And yes, at a company I worked with I would on a regular basis prove what "needed to be proven" in order to win accounts.  What we did could be considered by some as un-ethical.  We did provide all the data which we studied, yet only highlighted the elements that supported our position.  If people were deligent and went through every line item, they may disagree with our "conclusions" but that hardly ever happened.  

Thus the world of statistical analysis exposed. lol

I'm not a historian or theologian either -- one of the reasons I am interested to get opinions from various sources.  I did find it very interesting -- I was especially intrigued by the religious section and am planning to do some independent research to see what I come up with.

Having never been a church goer (even as a child) I feel that perhaps I'm more open minded than alot of people -- I haven't been indoctrinated or brainwashed in any theories.  But, I don't want to be naive either.

Am very interested in the 911 theories too.  The federal reserve stuff is just freakin scary! 

My brother-in-law was in the seminary and my husband was an altar boy.  Both have abandoned the Catholic religion and are very open minded and skeptical -- I can't wait to get a chance to talk to B-in-law! 

On the other side, my sister and other b-in-law are quite religious church goers -- I doubt they will ever even take a look at the movie.  I'd love to see what they had to say.  :o)

I am like that - as in I do as much research as I can before I make a decision or opinion on anything. 

I am Christian - southern babtist by birth, but have attended the catholic church for about 11 years, dabble with a Jewish fiance and then went back to protestant, (when in rome etc). 

Religion of all faith works for some people and for others it does not.    I have met a lot of very intelligent people that do study ancient historys and cultures and yet they are still religious - a lot of the theologians have obiviously studied way more than we, and yet they still believe.  Again, I think you can find support on both sides of any argument. 

It would be an interesting debate over your dinner table with your in-laws. lol.  Some people are a bit more defensive of their religion.

BTW - I have an atheist friend (who recently started go to church, but another chat) that I once naively asked,  "Aren't you mad at your parents for not at least giving you a Religion?  And she said, "no, I never had it so I never missed it."  Made sense to me.   

Thanks for sharing the link. I watched the entire almost 2 hours. That microchip thing scares the living daylights out of me.

lollipop -  I KNOW!  When it ended, I kind of sat staring at my computer with this feeling of despair (but, that passed - lol). 

I think I'll watch it again, take some notes on things I want to explore further.  After processing it a bit today, my feeling is kind of "okay, you give an awful lot of information --- but, what is the point."   For example, if he had just focused on the 9/11 thing or on the religious thing -- but, trying to tie them together I felt was stretching it a bit. 

I do believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy -- and, I feel that by adding the religious element he detracts from that.  It makes it easier for people to think "conspiracy theory nut."

maybe they put that religious stuff first is because those were all stories most of us have grown up with.  to see them explained away so easily, might open people up to more "outrageous" ideas.

vthompson - yes, that's what never fails to amaze me.    Your friend the atheist who now goes to church -- my b-in-law who studied to be a priest, and now has abandoned religion.

In my family for example, I have two older sisters; equally intelligent, well educated, both raised in the baptist church till my parents divorced (when I was only two -- after the divorce church wasn't a priority) both attended the same University - both attended the Lutheran Church while in college - yet they both settle on opposite sides of the religion table.

I on the other hand, with no religious training rely only on my innate senses and they tell me that there is a spirituality, there is a higher consciousness to be achieved, and there is a purpose in our lives.  My life experiences seem to support these feelings.  But, I don't care for the term religion.  I know there is a sense of community involved with going to church -- something I'm not all that familiar with. 

I went to a Catholic wedding and it felt very primitive and kind of dark to me.  Anyway, just kind of got off onto a ramble there.  Sorry [sheepish grin]

Good point jewels!  I know it opened my mind like crazy.  Although not raised in church, I was raised to fear god!  Every time I got hurt when I was little it was right after I'd done something bad . . . and my mom would say "that was God punishing you!"   If my mom didn't say it my mind did.  LOL

finshed watching part 2 last night.  holy crap. 

one book comes to mind.  it's not about 9/11 but about other things is Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace - Gore Vidal.  it too is quite the eye opener. 

Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering Nazi Leader at the Nuremberg trials

this isn't the first time things like this has happened

http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluori de.htm

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/ 2002/jul/tuskegee/

finished watching the film last night.  it's a must see.  even if you do not believe any of it, it's always good to hear the other side of the story!

Hi! I found it very compelling.

I am currently reading the book "The Creature From Jekyll Island" by G Edward Griffin, about the Federal Reserve. Much of the 3rd part of the movie was based on Griffin's work, along with Aaron Russo's "From Freedom To Fascism". I HIGHLY recomend reading Griffin's book! The Federal Reserve is the most important issue that people are not talking about.

Now, the 9-11 segment....I am still undecided about all that. I've read through both sides, and I must admit that I cannot outright dismiss the conspiracy stance. But I cant just accept it either.

The 1st segment on religion was interesting. I was a Jehovah's Witness for 30 years before being expelled for questioning their doctrine. Now I am an agnostic/atheist. I dont have any problem seeing the underlying mythology that religion is based upon.  Whether every one of his points is bulltproof, I couldnt say...but I tend to agree with it.

Anyways, thought I'd share my views!

Wayne

PS...check out Ron Paul!

Would you like some copies of Zeitgeist on DVD. I have them and many more on my non-profit site.

http://onedollardvdproject.com

Ron